Click the Pic N' Mix - past blog posts from Bang2write (click & scroll down for articles)

2leep.com

Tuesday, January 22, 2008

10 On TV Drama: 3 of The Best - Science Fiction

DISCLAIMER: I've no idea if "Science Fiction" is still allowed as a term around here or even if it's applied to the shows I've listed below. If not, shake your heads in incredulous wonder at my lack of skillz man. I thank you. Oh: ans the usual SPOILER ALERT applies, natch.

This will come as a shock to you.

Are you sitting down?

I like Science Fiction. Okay, SF. Futuristic stuff. Whatever it's called these days. I don't know loads about it, I haven't even watched ALL of the series around and I've never laid eyes on Battlestar Galactica because I don't have Sky. But this sort of thing has been a guilty pleasure of mine for some time. Alright, over a decade. Bar a couple I only dipped in and out though. And I was thinking of crime drama the whole time... ; )

X FILES (1993 - 2002, 9 seasons)

I was at school when X Files began and was one of "those": if it was popular, then I didn't like it. I think there's still a little bit of that left over, hence my never listening to chart music and being uncool in general. I'm still listening to the same music I was at 14 though: NIN, Tool, Korn etc. My mother's still telling people I'll grow out of it. Thrown out the black though, it made me look like all washed out. Cripes, did I actually say that??

But even in the midst of my moody Goth rebellion against anything anyone else actually liked, even I could not resist The X Files. There was something about the dynamic between Mulder and Scully that really worked; not just in terms of the characters' role functions of believer/cynic - It's an alien! No there's a logical explanation! - either. Peripheral characters were every bit as vibrant, such as the legendary Smoking Man or the "antagonist of the week". There was just enough conspiracy theory to keep suspicious teens like me happy without bamboozling them with politics, kind of akin to L'oreal's "Here comes the science..."

Like all good things however, X Files had to come to an end sometime... and actually I kind of ran out of steam and bailed around the 1999 mark, though friends tell me the episodes without Mulder were good. Episodes that really stick in my mind include Scully's seemingly sudden conversion to Catholicism so she could understand the problem of the Nephilim after it attempted mating with a human host (a social worker as the devil! Who'd have thought it?) and the alien guy who'd tear out your liver and eat it in order to regenerate AND had the nerve to try and frame Mulder for the murder of one of his own victims. Talk about antisocial.


FARSCAPE (1999 - 2003, 4 Seasons)

I know Good Dog doesn't like this because of the high muppet content, but it was kind of inevitable I would, having grown up on a diet of Jim Henson mania during the 1980s like most my age. And if you like muppets, what wasn't there to like about this? There was men and women in leather, flashing lights, much bulging cleavage and fluffy creatures everywhere. Sounds like my house this New Year's Eve just past.

What attracted me most to Farscape was unlike many other series of its genre at the time, it leant more towards the "lone protagonist" model in John Kryton as opposed to the more ensemble casts of things like Star Trek: Voyager. As regular readers of this blog know, I happen to like this former notion more as a personal preference; also as a "fish out of water" story, it hit the target dead-on for me. You get shot down a worm hole, into the depths of space. Anything can happen. And suddenly, as a human, John was considerably weirder than blue people, insectoids and other...stuff. Fancy imagining you're on your own in the universe! There was a dry humour to Farscape that I found irresistable, yet at the same time it mirrored such conflicts as Kosovo with their own "Peacekeeprs" and tackled such philosophical concepts like Plato's Forms with aplomb and without alienating the portion of the audience who would not recognise such references. Then there of course was the whole "Will they--Won't they--Oh they did and who is the father of the baby" saga between Aeryn and John. Nice. Too bad humans can't pause pregnancies like Aeryn; could come in well handy.


TORCHWOOD (2006 - present)

I don't like Doctor Who. I know that makes me like, a social pariah and insane and probably the best thing for me to do is bury myself in a big hole so I can never see the light of day again like the dog I am, I get it. Even as a kid I would turn over and watch The Bill. Yes The Bill. I'm not saying this to inflame anyone by the way, just point out that the last thing I expected to like was Torchwood, the Doctor Who spin off.

And to start with, I didn't. I was positively underwhelmed. I only watched it because -- well, I'm not sure why. I didn't have digital at the time? Because my son is a Dr Who fanatic and I didn't realise Torchwood would have sex and swearing and bloody acts of violence in? Because I quite fancied Captain Jack?

That was it! It didn't matter that he was clearly gay, everyone in Torchwood seems to be and this fluidity of sexuality is really refreshing, for aren't these the boundaries that we set ourselves anyway? And why shouldn't we be both and neither? I think it's really interesteding and don't recall another programme of this genre doing this, or if it has I didn't watch or perhaps notice.

I've never quite bought the notion Captain Jack *might* feel the same way for Gwen as she clearly does for him, but there is something sexual about him: I've never felt that way about any of The Doctors, they're not mysterious enough for me to want to - I never bought the chemistry between The Doctor and Rose, even one way. The fact too that even Jack is not sure *what* he is draws me to him in a way The Doctor doesn't, probably because he seems so sure of what's he's doing and where he's going, hence his catchphrase on the ads, "Do you want to come with me?" Jack seems more appealing to me as the tortured hero, doing what he does on good faith yet not always sure he isn't leading blindly.

It changed for me with the episode where Captain Jack meets the real Captain Jack whose name he stole in that dancehall. There was something quite poignant about that episode, especially with the knowledge that not only did the real Jack never admit his true sexuality, but the fact that he would die in battle the next day. I think that was the pivotal moment for etsablishing this present series, which I think really has its own voice. I thought the addition of Captain John - not to mention that great snog and the fight that came after - was fantastic and really set the seal for what is to come next...

...And what is to come next? The Scribosphere's very own James Moran has scripted an episode. I can't wait to see it. I put in an order for some boobs to level up the score after all that man-on-man action last week, but apparently he's gone for "violent pandemonium" instead according to the Radio Times. Violent Pandemonium, plus boobs? We live in hope.

Wednesday January 23rd, BBC 2, 9pm people. Watch it.


OTHER SF TREATS:

BABYLON 5 (1994 - 1998, 5 seasons)In the year 2258, it is ten years after the Earth-Minbari War. Commander Sinclair takes command of a giant five-mile-long cylindrical space station, orbiting a planet in neutral space.
The notion of space diplomacy I thought was inspired; I was less enchanted with the series itself. I really liked various notions in it - like the Telekinetic Corp - but it failed to hold my attention long term. Having said that, it was always on in the background whilst I was having dinner of an evening, so there was something about it that made me come back for more. Certainly without it I don't think we'd have had Farscape.

STAR TREK: VOYAGER (1995 - 2001, 7 seasons) Pulled to the far side of the Galaxy, where the Federation is 75 years away at maximum warp speed, a Starfleet ship must cooperate with Maquis rebels to find a way home.
My son went through a phase when he was about three when he was an ardent Trekkie. Though I never cared for the original or the other one with Jean Luc, I actually did get into this one. I think it was the female characters; a female captain in Janeway was long overdue and even though Seven of Nine was supposed to non-emotional, there was something enigmatic about her. I always liked The Borg, but here they really came to life and the grudge match between the Borg Queen and Janeway with Janeway crossing time and space and her younger self to kill the Queen once and for all was fantastic I thought.

DARK SKIES, (1996, 1 season) 20th century history as we know it is a lie. Aliens have been among us since the 1940's, but a government cover-up has prevented the public from knowing this.
I go in for all those conspiracy theories re: Area 51 and off the back of X Files, this was a natural choice for a viewer like me at the time. There was a sense of foreboding about it that seemed quite infectious and those Majestic agents were scary. I was surprised it didn't get re-commissioned, but thinking about it now I think it's strength is intact because it stood alone - had it run on, the premise might have weakened maybe?

--------------------------------------------------

Any fave spacey alien type dramas? Don't be shy...

21 comments:

Anya said...

I loved Farscape! Thought Scorpio was wicked. Was Australian, am I right? One I really liked was INVASION with that bloke in off that thing. You know the guy who's face you totally recognise from stuff like Equilibrium and Prison Break.

Oh and Lucy - did you realise your "anonymous" commenty-thing was turned off? I actually had to bother to sign in to Blogger, shame on you!

evil twinz said...

I'm not shocked I am OUTRAGED. Do you actually mean to say that you have taken the mickey out of us all the years we've known you for liking Star Trek and you were watching bloody Voyager the whole time????

I'm so outraged I even had to register for a Blogger account! What gives on that?

evil twinz said...

Oh - and it's Darren and Mike. Shit talk about spoiling the big entrance

adsense said...

As far as terminology is concerned I object to Fantasy being referred to as Science Fiction (because that's just being ignorant), but not the other way round, since SF is obviously Fantasy.

I'm not bothered by abbreviations of SF, SciFi or whatever. Some people are but that's just poncing about.

Trouble is, Lucy, I'm afraid among the fans of SF the ones you dislike are considered superior.

Babylon 5: Very good but he had to mess-up his five year plot arc at the end because he was getting cancelled.

Farscape: Pretty good later on, never really got into it.

Original Trek: Well what it actually did was prove you could do SF seriously, there were a few good episodes.

ST:Next Gen: Vastly superior, a few very bad episodes (e.g. Angel One), some exceptionally good ones (e.g. Best of Both Worlds parts 1 and 2, and the one after which was pure character, no real "plot" at all.)

ST:Voyager: Could have been superb, was mostly rubbish.

ST:Deep Space Nine: Generally very good.

ST: Enterprise: Should have been better than it was. But it wasn't.

X-Files: Good individual episodes but completely rubbish continuity.

Old Who: Well, depends on the period, some was truly appalling, some was okay.

Blake 7: Mixed, got much better towards the end, except the end wasn't good.

New Who: Brilliant (mostly). Maybe you didn't buy the Doctor and Rose, had me in tears at the end.

Torchwood: Series 1 pretty poor without any sympathetic characters. Series 2, we'll see. Ep 1 was a huge improvement but I still wasn't convinced.

Primeval: Series 1 poor but watchable. New series, somewhat of a re-boot and there are hints it'll be much better. We hope.

Heroes: Series 1 excellent. Series 2 not very excellent.

Invasion: Bored me stiff, stopped after 3 episodes

Surface: Really liked it, but not surprised it was cancelled.

Threshold: Fairly good but couldn't go anywhere. Cancellation totally unsurprising.

Dark Skies: Was excellent.

Alien Nation: Buddy cop/fish out of water/racism what's not to like?

Blade the TV Series: First two episodes I've seen I have been totally impressed with the writing, very unpredictable. Hope they keep it up.

Firefly/Serenity: Cowboys in Space. Joss Whedon. Genius. 'Nuff said.

One thing to bear in mind, I think most SF fans are keen on coherent universes which is why X-Files rates badly.

Steve

Lucy said...

Steve - Yes, I don't doubt there are people who cannot believe I like any of those...I think this is why I could never be a *true* SF Fan, I don't understand why there are divisions on "superiority" even within the actual genre. Why can't people just like what they like? Yet I have actually had people really have a go at me for liking one thing and not another (I'm not saying you're doing that btw). Is the bond of being into any programme in the scifi genre not enough? If not, why not? Or are there divisions like this on all genres and I maybe don't notice because I happen to say, like crime more anyway?

Darren and Mike - it was a cheap shot, granted. And actually I never watched Voyager until the early 00s. But it worked didn't it?? That's family for you...and teenagers : P

Anya, yes I think Farscape was Australian... Kryton was American though, so maybe it was a co-prod? And I've turned the anonymous off intentionally. I didn't want to but was getting more and more snarky anonymous comments and I just think if people want to have a go they should have the courage of their conviction and leave a name or nickname, only fair. Sorry to all the nice Anonymous posters and the cats and satan stuff x

Caroline said...

I missed most of the series Lucy and others have referred to. But what the hell, I'll chip in on what I do know. Which is that the absolute best SF series of recent times are Firefly (what a tragedy it was cancelled!) and Battlestar Gallactica which is stunningly brilliant and always coming up with something new. Okay so I can't possibly know they're the best if I haven't seen the rest!

And I agree with you Lucy on Doctor Who. My daughter's addicted but it doesn't work for me. And same goes for Torchwood. On paper it's got so much going for it and I keep trying. Even Spike from Buffy (okay James Marsters but pretty much playing Spike again) snogging Cap'n Jack couldn't do it. There must be something wrong with me...

Good Dog said...

Hon, I don’t know why you just restricted me to disliking Farscape. Oh, well.

Science fiction. How marvellous. Science fiction – let’s call it SF from here on in – is the genre that can be f**ked up the most by cynical money-grubbers and hacks. After all, it’s the genre that is never really taken seriously. Then again, there are past examples of SF in film and television that don’t exactly help make a case for the genre.

The thing that ticks me off – that makes me want to reach for a baseball bat and turn muscle and sinew and bone into a runny paste – is when someone, defending a particularly foul steaming pile of crap that plopped onto the TV screen, says: “It’s science fiction, it doesn’t have to make sense.” Those are the words of the complete moron. Into the frickin’ woodchipper with the asshat who utters those words.

Anyway, to your choices...

The X-Files. Good in places. In fact, some episodes were downright remarkable. Still, The X-Files ultimately failed because the clowns making it were like a kid with attention deficit. Ongoing threads didn’t reach a logical conclusion. Instead they were just ignored and replaced by another idea. After a couple of seasons it came apparent that the show was being put together on the fly. If they had sat down and actually planned it out, the series would have been remembered as being something remarkable. Shame really.

Maybe I’ve mentioned it before here – or possibly on mine – but what killed it for me was the third episode of the third season. After finding out all this stuff in the first couple episodes of the season to aliens and UFOs, Mulder goes off to investigate a kid who can harness lightning. Huh? The show tried to mix ongoing stories with separate episodes – like crashing 1970s US TV drama with 90s TV drama. Just didn’t work.

Anyone interested in this second movie they’re filming? I mean, it’s over for Chrissakes! Let’s move on.

Farscape. I almost unconsciously typed Pigs in Space. Like it or hate it, Farscape is, for me, a prime example of where SF can go wrong. By that I mean the insular nature of SF and the fans. SF and fantasy does seem to attract the losers and sadsacks, kids who have trouble interacting in society and making friends. Pretty much, people who are looking for an escape from the dull blandness from everyday life. That’s not a bad thing unless you go too far.

Farscape made the mistake of being too damn complex for its own good. Even with the title sequence explaining some of what the heck was going on, if you didn’t see it from the beginning, you were lost. I watched the occasional episode over the years and it just didn’t make sense. Now fans would probably say, well screw you. In the end, screw them. The simple economics turned out to be that for another year, it needed bigger ratings. By then the show had so much impenetrable backstory that it couldn’t bring in new viewers. Farscape killed itself. (Really it should have had Gonzo in it.)

Torchwood next... You know what, let’s not even go there. Whatever problems The X-Files had in terms of telling an ongoing story, they could at least make the individual episodes pretty much make sense. That’s not a bad thing because given the fantastical nature of the subject matter it meant that a portion of the 42-minute running time had to be given over to setting up the fantastic and then coming up with a satisfying resolution.

My problem with the new Doctor Who is that too many times “It’s science fiction, it doesn’t have to make sense” comes up. Too many times deus ex machina was employed because the too much running time had been frittered away by asides about EastEnders or whatever else. Oh, and watching the first episode, by the time they’re on the Embankment with the London Eye directly behind him I figured out that The Doctor was actually supposed to be Giles and Rose was Buffy.

Of course that doesn’t answer the Torchwood question. (Or should that be Angel?) It was when it was trumpeted as “adult”. Well, it wasn’t adult SF. It was a child’s idea of what “adult” is supposed to be. So there was swearing and bits where people done it or cracked one off alone. It was just juvenile. And the stories were very silly, suffering from the same thing as Who did. Maybe they’ve sorted it out, frankly I don’t care.

Babylon 5, if anything, showed that TV SF didn’t have to be Star Trek to get an audience. The concept was great. The only problem was JMS wanting to write most of the episodes himself. The one thing it had going for it was Londo and G’Kar, and Stephen Furst as Vir. While everyone else was being a little too earnest, those three were an absolute riot.

Star Trek: Voyager. I bet the fanboys were in sticky-emission heaven when Jeri Ryan appeared. Best character – Bob Picardo as the holographic doctor. The thing I found interesting with the Star Trek incarnations was that the secondary characters were usually the most interesting. Quark and Odo in the few episodes of DS9 I caught. Data and Worf in The Next Generation. I’m not a great fan of all the various Star Trek incarnations. By the time the last one appeared, Paramount had pretty much picked the bones clean. Still, The Next Generation delivered the episodes Darmok, Yesterdays Enterprise and The Inner Light. It also gave Ron Moore his start in TV.

Dark Skies. Didn’t we all have this idea when we were kids? Hey, aliens were behind the JFK assassination. It was too obvious. And after that first episode, attaching an actual event to the proceedings seemed a little forced. Did like it when the woman snotted up the alien and her husband did a mad flamenco dance on it in the pilot. And it had the great JT Walsh in the cast. Apart from that it was cock.

Best stuff...

Firefly and Battlestar Galactica. Sure they have the bright and shiny in them if that’s the sort of thing you like. Apart from that there are the beautifully realized characters and compelling stories. No stupid made-up aliens either.

Enough with the “don’t have Sky” excuse. Hell, the DVDs can be picked up for next to nothing now in the sales.

Oli said...

I don't think there's anything wrong with calling it 'Science Fiction', especially as 'SF' is just an abbreviation. The whole retitling of a genre strikes me as elitism.

evil twinz said...

Hey I'm getting into this blogger thang, have a pic and everything! In your face Darren (he couldn't do upload last night).

He's on shift right now so I have the day to myself: I have coffee, Tangfastic Haribo and my Battlestar Galactica boxset. Bliss. You can borrow it after me Luce. But first it's a date with me and Number 6.

Luv Mike

Good Dog said...

I don't think there's anything wrong with calling it 'Science Fiction', especially as 'SF' is just an abbreviation. The whole retitling of a genre strikes me as elitism.

Oh, how the little children get easily distracted by the shiny baubles...

The reason I said, "Science fiction – let’s call it SF from here on in – ..." was because I didn't want to keep writing 'science fiction'. At the time it was rather late.

It's not some plot to look down at the blessed loves wearing their plastic Vulcan ears and noodling around with a Robbie the Robot toy.

Tom said...

What? No Red Dwarf? Shocked! (Yes, it was a sitcom but it had some great sci-fi ideas and premises in it!)

Dark Skies suffered because the first half of the series came across as having a "celebrity of the week" storyline which put a lot of people I know off. A shame as it started getting really good towards the end.

Anya said...

Er... Mr Good Dog, I think Oli might have been referring to where Lucy puts in the article about not knowing what to call it, not nec in reference to your comment? Could be wrong...Please don't bite me. Much love.

Oli said...

Hmmm... well, it was meant in general, but I'm pleased to see Good Dog's ability to turn everything I say into a flame war continues unabated.

will said...

I agree with the people who have suggested Firefly/Serenity and Battlestar Galactica. They're fantastic.

Shame the same can't be said for Torchwood though.

Lucy said...

I dunno, leave a thread alone for a few hours and you naughties run riot. Can we play nice please? People will like what others won't and vice versa, it's not a judgement on your mental faculties, sexuality, ability in the sack, cooking or any other activity if you like something another doesn't! : )

Caroline, welcome to Blogger. Haven't forgotten your article on Primeval. You didn't like the man-snog though? I'm not sure James Marsters did, he looked like he was pulling away, but maybe I'm wrong there.

GD: silly me, should have known I was limiting you to only hating one thing when you hate everything else too! ; ) I saw that trailer for Battlestar Galactica over at your blog though, gotta admit it looks interesting so Mike, your offer of the boxset is much obliged!

And Tom, I DID think about including Red Dwarf as I think I watched all of it - and have caught the repeats endlessly on the "dave" channel courtesy of my son who's obsessed wityh it... I agree, it does have some good stuff but I figured as you say it's more sitcom than drama.

William The Bloody - I watched Serenity but never Firefly. Thought the fight scenes were cool and there were some nice quips, but ol' Joss is the king of quips right?

Right... any more for anymore? And remember: NICE! : P

h said...

i have to echo adsense here, "Firefly/Serenity: Cowboys in Space. Joss Whedon. Genius. 'Nuff said."

Jon Peacey said...

Hi there!
I kinda guess I’m going to alienate pretty much everyone. Ah, the joys of heresy… prepare the stake and matches!

Firstly, I think I should say I really like good SF (Science-fiction, sci-fi, blah-blah-blah), I think it can be one of the most interesting of all genres but there is actually very little good SF. What there is are a lot of series which masquerade as SF by using a Space/Futuristic setting for what are essentially earthly dramas and often ignore anything that comes from a specific fictional-science based dilemma. Some get bogged down in endless diplomatic negotiations, others focus on romantic entanglements or wars and I’m told that Phantom Menace (I know, not TV) is basically about taxation. Consequently I avoid much SF, especially the US series.

I loved The X-Files when it started- that brings back some memories- thank you Lucy! (There used to be a fantasy/graphic-novel/horror shop in my town where we’d congregate and jabber endlessly about pretty much everything including this then new series called The X-Files… the shop’s long since deceased as are most of the people.) When it was good it was very good and when it was bad it was tepid. To me, what tolled the show’s death knell was the introduction of endless story arcs- the Scully cancer and missing sister storylines got tired very quickly, not least because I didn’t care enough but the final nail was the increasing repetition. It was the exceptional one-offs that really struck me away: Squeeze and Tooms, Ice, Shadows, Darkness Falls (really unsettling), 3 (vampires), Sleepless, Die Hand Die Verletzt, Our Town, Unrühe, Calusari, All Souls (the Neph. ep.) and some great comedy like Jose Chung’s From Outer Space and The Post-Modern Prometheus. I just checked Wikipedia and I couldn’t believe how many good episodes leapt out at me. There’s few First Series that are that consistently imaginative. I also can’t believe it kept going to 2002. I gave up in maybe ’98.

The original Doctor Who could be great and it’s easy to forget this when remembering bubble-wrap monsters or crawling green condoms but, at times, there could be some big ideas and grand ambitions (try Face Of Evil, Genesis Of The Daleks and City Of Death). The revamped version has actually been very variable (and I can’t fathom the critics’ lenience). The first series was particularly patchy: too often a 45 minute episode would be 30+ minutes setting-up of world and aliens followed by sudden panic when the need for a story was remembered- so all hell breaks loose and everything neatly wraps up with (as GD said) a Deus Ex Machina. Strangely, RTD inadvertently hinted as much in the Radio Times when he said he would become fascinated by creating the world and the aliens, wondering what they ate and how they went to the toilet. Unfortunately, great world of story doesn’t make up for lack of great story. Another problem has been the lack of ambition. I recently said to a friend ‘they have a box that can take them to any time or place in the universe…’ and he interjected (with my thought precisely) with ‘…so why do they always end up in a London housing estate?’ What could have been magnificent was frequently reduced to a slight domestic drama. The cryptic story arcs have been rather obvious (Bad Wolf; Torchwood- I can’t do anagrams and I deciphered that one immediately!) and frustratingly dragged out; the attempted political stuff has appeared very facile; however, most irritating has been an increasing over-reliance on ersatz emotion; for example, in the recent (and generally enjoyable) Christmas Special there was the usual trite character journeys and obvious sentimental finale death complete with slow-motion and swelling strings… these were a cliché before Ghost Light and (the memorable) Survival. But when the show gets it right, it really gets it right: Blink, The Empty Child episodes, The Girl In The Fireplace (proof you don’t need ersatz emotion to be genuinely moving), Unquiet Dead, Idiot’s Lantern- all brilliant. But does all this make me a social pariah too… ?

As for Torchwood, I’ve never got on with it: sex, swearing and a modicum of violence do not an adult programme make: adult concepts inform adult programmes. I don’t like the characters and I particularly dislike Cap’n Jack: I disliked him in Who and I dislike him in this… I just can’t take him seriously- just not heroic enough for me. And how can an indestructible character ever work? However, all the characters come across as too ‘shiny’ and similar for my liking.

Heroes: tediously, grindingly slow; Farscape: I loved muppets but this seemed just a bit silly; Star Trek and all derivatives send me screaming to the hills. Most US series are encumbered with long story arcs which require too much investment of time and thought for too little reward and take far too long to unfold; the shows seem soulless and lacking in individuality; they also tend to look very similar with similar-looking actors, similar photography and similar PD. Sadly, it looks as if the UK wants to go the same path.

Red Dwarf strikes me as frequently being far more SF than most SF drama by being based frequently in fictional science concepts. I’d also nominate Futurama for exactly the same reason. To me, Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind is far more SF than Star Wars (a Western) but I’ve not seen it in many (if any) lists of great SF films.

The TV SF I really enjoy would include all things Quatermass, The Stone Tape, C4’s Ultraviolet, Chimera and Children Of The Stones…

evil twinz said...

Wouldn't Eternal Sunshine qualify more as "fantasy" than SF? Cos that's not the same thing... Is it? I'm confused, been awake for 26 hours. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

Darren

Oli said...

No, I'd say the differential is actual science, or pseudo-science being involved - if they'd had 'magic' powers to wipe their memories, I'd go with fantasy.

Jon Peacey said...

What he said! Eternal Sunshine's plot is predicated on the use of a 'scientific' device...

...to be fantasy I would require Tom Wilkinson to be playing a dragon, Elijah Wood as Merlin and Kirsten Dunst as Morgana Le Fay!

Rach said...

Hi Lucy. I've finally found out how to work this googly thingy.

What about Invasion:Earth. The one with Maggie O'Neal. I'd definitely call it SF but it was one series only.

I prefer the gritty to the glamour so Heroes has passed me by I'm afraid. But do have to confess a weakness for Farscape. All that moody lighting. It's like Lexx with cuddly muppets.